Sunday 17 February 2019

MIke Rose, John Rose and Family


My family (John, Win and I) came to Victoria in  February 1952 when I was 15 and stayed on Thompson Cove at the end of Senanus Drive for the summer. We had lived in Ontario for a couple of years and had a strip cedar 16 foot “Peterborough" boat shipped over by rail from the east. We learned to fish with help from Old Man Gilbert, I went to North Saanich high on the school bus with Jimmy. We joined the VSIAA  and bought the cane rods and wire line and fished with Wonder Spoons and plugs and eventually herring strip.

My mum and Dad had most of the memories as I was at Victoria College and then over to UBC and then 19 years with the Canadian Meteorological Service in such places as Trenton Ontario, Toronto, Calgary, Whitehorse, Montreal (back to University for an advanced Meteorological degree), Then to Edmonton, Goose Bay Labrador and back to Vancouver. Fished in all of those locations with the exception of Toronto and Trenton Ontario as I was in training there. After 5 years in Vancouver we moved back to Victoria in 1975. I started Fishing in the Inlet with my father and teen aged sons and on the Cowichan River with a couple of  old Vic College buddies.

                                                                         The Salar
 



I have extensive notes on River fishing on the Cowichan and other Rivers on the Island and the Birkenhead by Pemberton. However I made no notes about fishing on the Inlet as we fished the same locations. Bamberton in the early morning, the wall along from Willis Point to Todd Inlet, Indian Bay for flounders and Brill (flat fish) the entrance to Thompson Cove for Big Red Rockfish (Snappers). 

Depths from 100 feet of wire line with 1-2 pounds of lead weight on a leader with a hook to detach as we got the fish close with 20 or more feet of line after the detachable hook. Then up to 300 feet of wire along the sides of the Inlet. Frequently lowering the line to bottom and until it bumped when we would raise it up. We also fished down the Squally Reach to well known landmarks such as McKenzie Bay and McCurdy Point and the “Deep Hole” a half mile or so south of McCurdy, all the way to Halls Boathouse at Goldstream.

John cut his own herring strip and got his “Strip-Teasers”  from Rhys Davis who invented and marketed and sold them. He never liked down riggers, always preferring wire line and initially lead, 1 and 2 pound weights with the line and hook to make it more fun when the fish was close and we could detach the weight. As he got older John started using planers.

His old boat the Salar which he bought from Bill Mearns had a lot of work done from the time it was a 26 foot twin skin carvel(smooth skin) mahogany naval lifeboat with a big Buda Deisel. In the early 80’s he had a two cylinder Volvo Penta installed which was great on fuel and good for trolling. See the Salar Picture.  Getting the Buda out involved a crane and removing part of the roof. He also had a trolling outboard. The stern cockpit was covered and we used to fish in comfort in all weather and with an oil stove inside we could heat and cook so comfort was great.

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As mentioned in the previous post, I learned a lot from John Rose about using strip, Large Strip Teasers from Rhys Davis, and planers in Saanich Inlet. John and the rest of the high liners would be willing to help once you proved you could catch fish, and were committed to the Inlet. When you were able to explain why what you were doing caught fish, which meant you were seriously committed to fishing, they would help. Daytrippers were not helped. It is true even today for me, when I give advice, and the person doesn't seem to pick it up, or won't listen, I don't offer advice again. 

On my onfishingdcreid blog, the favourite post is the one on wire-rigging a teaser head for whole anchovy. Blow up the pictures to get how the wire inserts in the teaser: http://onfishingdcreid.blogspot.com/2014/02/wire-rigging-teaserhead-feb-23-2014.html.

Now, back to SI: you bent the tab on the teaser's inside, or meat side, of the strip, to gain a quicker spiral on the bait. In the Inlet, the best speed was about a revolution per second, relatively slow, which would then flop over every now and then. Even today, decades later, I still use a slower spiral than most, on anchovy, fishing the Juan de Fuca side of Victoria. 

And for SI strip, you used two single, saltwater hooks rigged in tandem, the top one not anchored in the strip, but both in the plane of the bait, meaning not perpendicular to it. And also one hook up, one down, was the best setup, the latter hook extending just beyond the tail of the strip. A toothpick in the leader's blister stopped the hooks where you wanted them - both plane and distance.

The pale green large strip teaser was better than other colours in SI.

And I learned that I was the only person who fished Saanich Inlet who called McKenzie Bight by its real, on the chart, name. Everyone else called it McKenzie Bay, as Mike Rose does above. I caught my first fish, a rock fish, in McKenzie Bight, er, Bay, in 1975, fishing in a putt putt rental boat from Gilbert's. We made a turn a smidge too quick and the inside rod dropped to the bottom, whence Mr. Fish bagged the bait and we bagged him.

I still remember, turning to starboard on the reef at the west end of McKenzie Bay, the rod dropping and then the bite. Funny how you can remember some things 40 years later, but, not, as in this morning, remembering to put a towel in my gym bag, though I have been doing it for 25 years, and having to towel off with paper towels. Hmm.

Sunday 10 February 2019

Tom, George and Jimmie

Bob Alexander sent me some information on a photo in the previous post, which I re-post immediately below (Image 643):





Hi Dennis: Jim Gilbert is on the extreme right, my Uncle George is in the middle wearing a Cowhican Indian sweater, and my dad, Tom Alexander is on the extreme left, wearing a checked shirt with a ball cap sitting tilted on his head. 

Here is the full text that Bob sent my way regarding Saanich Inlet angling: 


The two other guys in the third picture including Jim Gilbert on the far right, was, on the far left, my dad, Tom Alexander, and in the centre, George Alexander, older brother to Tom, and both uncle's to Jim Gilbert, and brother-in-laws to Harry Gilbert, who married Mary, my aunt, older sister to both George and Tom.

Harry started and owned Gilbert's Marina before Jimmie, in time, dad growing in years, took the marina over. Jimmie was more business minded than his dad, expanding on the marina, starting a bait and guide service, installing a boat launch for those who trailed boats, and eventually expanding on his inherited dad's gifted and knowledgeable native art creations, lifting them commercially to world renown level. 

George, at the time the photo was taken, was living in Vancouver, Manager of a Canada Safeway store. Tom, who lived in Brentwood, and his brother in-law, Roy Smith, probably caught more salmon in Brentwood Bay than any fisherman who fished there. And there were some awesome guys in those days, including the likes of John Rose, Bob RedGraves, Tommy Moss, and Gordy Lamont. 

My dad eventually started Uncle Tom's Bait and Guide Service, his hand cut herring strip the required go to for any hi-liner hitting Gold River, Nahmint, or the Port Alberni Canal. Sorry if I got a little wordy, but you have over the years shown a few pictures of my dad...commonly nicked named and referred to in Brentwood Bay as a Tacka Brown.  Thought you might like some clarification on the photo.  

By the way, my still to this day fishing partner, Lonnie Richards and I look forward and enjoy your weekly articles. I now live in Nanoose Bay, Lonnie still in Saanichton, and we often meet weekly in Duncan for lunch during our non fishing seasons, your latest article the centre of out luncheon discussions. I think I mentioned that while growing up and going to school I worked for my uncle and cousin, Harry and Jimmy at Gilbert's, while Lonnie worked for Bud Blackburn at Anglers Anchorage Marina.  

Of course in those days VSIAA [Victoria Saanich Inlet Anglers Association] was in full swing, their derby's, prizes and buttons a draw for anyone who fished in Brentwood in those days. As anyone will share with you, while Sooke, Pedder Bay, and the Victoria waterfront were very productive, Brentwood Bay could be fished when these and other hot spots were so rough boats couldn't get out on the water.  

A very Happy New Year to you and your family, and we encourage you in the good work you are doing for our west coast sports salmon fishery. Bob Alexander

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I started fishing Saanich Inlet in 1975, some years after the 'heyday' years. Both John Rose and Bob Redgrave were still fishing and taught me a great deal, particularly using wire line and planers, wooden, Peetz reels, and as much line out as 350 feet. John was absolutely specific about using large strip teasers with left hand flanks of herring, because they spiralled, if memory serves me, left to right. He was right, as the super teasers - that rotated the opposite direction - did not work as well as the large strip teasers.  The point was to get the scale side on the outside so that it would attract fish. Meat side out was less successful.


I found that downriggers worked well at first light as well as later in the day when the fish had descended to 142 feet, when I sometimes switched back to downriggers. Do note that I usually used planers at dawn. Downriggers put the lures too close to the boat, and one's catch was greatly diminished if you used them all day. In summer, late afternoon fishing, say at Bamberton, started at 110 feet on the downrigger, or 250 feet on the planer.

The calculation used in setting out planers was: every two feet let out equaled a foot of descent, until 150 feet, or 75 feet deep. After that the calculation was three feet out equaled a foot of descent, or 100 feet equaled 33 feet. Hence roughly 110 feet deep equaled roughly 250 feet let out. Peetz reels have counters and thus you can easily read how much line is out and thus how deep the tackle is.


I still have my planer rods, and if I fished Saanich Inlet again, would use them once again. They just work so much better in this very quiet water. The Inlet was absolutely specific, and the fishing pattern for both shores of its 18 mile deep inlet would fish the same today as it did in the highliner fishing days. Add Tod Inlet as extra to the 18 miles.